Brennan 0:00
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Christi Dodge 0:18
Welcome back, everybody to the Dodge Movie Podcast. This is episode 87. Where in where we are going to talk about Alfred Hitchcock’s North by Northwest written by Ernest Lehman, starring Cary Grant. Eva Marie Saint, James Mason and Martin Landau. Did I say that this film came out in 1959? I forget, but it came out in 1959. It did. And it’s a MGM studio pictures. The synopsis for this film is a New York City advertising executive goes on the run after being mistaken for a government agent by a group of foreign spies and falls in love with a woman whose loyalties he begins to doubt this one is full of twists and turns.

Yes, they did. Let’s see. 20 years after the term gaslighting, you know was was a movie. All right. I have four taglines for you to choose from this week for well done. Okay, I’m gonna lay him out and you’re ready. Ready? A lot of them sound like marketing. You know, like, yeah, that that? Yeah. Okay. Alfred Hitchcock takes you North by Northwest.

Mike Dodge 1:23
Oh, yeah. That one’s not strong. Strong.

Christi Dodge 1:27
It’s a deadly game of tag and Cary Grant.

Mike Dodge 1:30
Is it again, they’re relying on name dropping. Yeah, I can do better.

Christi Dodge 1:35
Yeah. Although, is that it’d be curious to look at the history of taglines because what’s happened is they were used for marketing purposes. But then they became like, clever. I don’t know, catchphrase or something would be interesting.

Mike Dodge 1:48
So if some famous screenwriter Frank Darabont, John is or somebody want us to call into the show, send an email.

Christi Dodge 1:57
Let us know help us out. christi@dodgemediaproductions.com. A 2000 mile chase that blazes a trail of terror to a gripping spine chilling climax.

Mike Dodge 2:10
Okay, that sounds a little bit more like you would see on the the title card at the end of the trailer. Right. A spine tingling climax.

Christi Dodge 2:20
Said in that voice, right? Of course. Okay, let me see if I can win you over with this last week. The last one we’re holding on Oh, it’s love and murder at first sight.

Mike Dodge 2:30
Okay, there you go.

Christi Dodge 2:31
There you go. Have you like that one?

Mike Dodge 2:33
Yeah, it’s shorter, as punchy and it tells us what we’re in for.

Christi Dodge 2:36
All right. There we go. Okay, directors trademark he was seen within the first few minutes. And he did this because it became a thing. Then he didn’t like to do it in the middle of the movie, because then it would take the audience out of it. So he started doing it. Then in the beginning.

Mike Dodge 2:54
I think my directors trademark is that I’m never in my own films.

Christi Dodge 2:58
That’s gonna be yours. Never. Here’s some trivia for you. While on location at Mount Rushmore Eva Marie Saint discovered the Cary Grant was charging fans 15 cents for an autograph.

Mike Dodge 3:10
That’s such an odd price became easy back then it was but a dime or a quarter but 15 cents as two coins, right? He’s just making his own life miserable.

Christi Dodge 3:22
I told you that because back in the day, a double double was 15 cents right? Now I don’t I don’t remember the original price shamefully. You told me this one time though. I probably did. But remember memory of a goldfish. Okay. And so I said, Oh, I think he was just a double double fan. He was collecting.

Mike Dodge 3:39
I would love if that was the case that he had like a rumor. The Skippy peanut butter jar that he washed out and then he put the 15 cents in and then he would go buy whenever when he was in town.

Christi Dodge 3:51
Yeah. This is not so funny here. But he lived to tell the tale. James Mason suffered a severe heart attack shortly after filming ended. Wow. Oh, pretty intense. Maybe Hitchcock scared him bu MGM tried to persuade out sir Alfred Hitchcock to use their ultra panna vision system which utilize 65 millimeter with a slight anamorphic squeeze.

When projected the image will be free of grain and quite wide. This is probably 59 Yes, this was a time when televisions I believe TVs game like TVs and homes became popular in like 54, 55. A lot of people were staying home because they just didn’t you know, they weren’t getting good enough pictures in their own homes.

They didn’t go to the cinema. Studios are trying to really kind of do these big huge things. It’s like it doesn’t look like this in your living room. You need to come in to the theater. People were trying to do this but Hitchcock balked and he at using this large format and instead insisted on going with VistaVision which was a format that was used in several Paramount Pictures productions going with Ultra pan a vision would have meant that the score would have never been heard in magnetic stereo, the VistaVision print used optical mono sound, and ironic ironic that the version shown now has an entirely new soundtrack mixed into the stereo.

Mike Dodge 5:22
Was VistaVision known for saturated colors because I felt like yeah, these are pretty saturated? Yes, that is one of its characteristics. No, because I’m old, I can see I like it when there’s saturated colors. It makes it look fun, like a big epic picture.

Christi Dodge 5:38
Yes. I asked you after because I read this next bit of trivia while we were watching the film, and I didn’t want to poison the well. So I let the film play to its entirety. I asked you, if you sensed any sort of effeminism from the henchmen of that Martin Landau was playing Leonard, or if you sense that he had a crush on like James Mason’s character, and you said,

Mike Dodge 6:07
I never got a crush. But I didn’t know that it was very, I don’t say odd but odd for the time when he said, “caught my woman’s intuition”. Right. I thought that was odd that gender bending comment for 1959.

Christi Dodge 6:21
Landau thought that this was he was making a choice for his character. He wanted his character. I think I read that he wanted the character to be a little bit more effeminate. I don’t know if he was making the stand that this character would be gay and that James Mason and his character, Leonard were a couple or that Leonard was just so loyal to James Mason’s character, which is and damn I think, yes, Philip Van Damme. Nine John Claude. Alright, so that was a choice that he made. Anyway, the production code had a problem with it. So they maybe and maybe that’s why we didn’t register is they took out some scenes. So this film does have a rating. It just got accepted.

Mike Dodge 7:07
Okay. Now, this is one of the few remakes I want. I want this to be remade, but Nathan Lane as Leonard with. Well, that’s true. It wouldn’t be subtle. He could do like channel Pepper from Modern Family, right?

Christi Dodge 7:24
Because I was like, well, but does he need to have that edge? You know, but I don’t feel like Martin Landau was really the heavy.

Mike Dodge 7:30
He I don’t think he was he had one scene where he like stepped on a guy’s knuckles that was about the most violent he got.

Christi Dodge 7:40
Yeah, but that ended up being pretty bad. Okay, so a little late in the episode. But Mike, Will you kick us off with the pickup line for this film?

Mike Dodge 7:48
To be fair to the listener? I couldn’t understand this. I had to rely on the transcript. But I think it’s the shooting script that you found. But yeah, here’s what they say this. Even if you accept the belief that Hi Trent X automatically means a riding sales curve, which incidentally, I do not accept. So that was it. I believe that’s when Cary comes out of an elevator. There’s a bunch of people around there. So I think the rhubarb being is what made it hard for me to understand

Christi Dodge 8:13
Roger Thornbill, comes out of an elevator with his assistant and she is he is dictating to her. She is taking it down a memo that he is wanting her to send off, as so we see he’s very, very busy. They kind of exchange a couple I think he gives her a couple marching orders. She we are to believe goes back up into the office building and he goes out onto the city streets and then we just see the hustle and bustle of New York City,

Mike Dodge 8:41
New York, New York. Oh, wait, I was there in New York?

Christi Dodge 8:46
No, no, no, I knew I meant that’s not this movie. We should review that movie though. I really want to Sure. That’s when we see Alfred Hitchcock, he goes to get on a bus and the doors close. Kind of snubbing him, he doesn’t get to get on the bus. So it just puts us in that. That mindset when we get you know, the busy streets, the businessmen working. I think shortly after that is when Thornville is kind of thrust into the you know that, but he’s done something wrong. He’s being accused of something.

Mike Dodge 9:21
It’s interesting because he’s at a nice dinner at a restaurant. These two guys I guess, ask for him by name. Then they just grab him by the elbows and shuffle them off to a car. I suppose actually for New York, this is not unreasonable that no one would really give notice to someone being kidnapped. Because you guys have a gun on that guy. If they’re gonna, put them in a car, whatever.

Christi Dodge 9:46
Well, it even feels like he’s not fully when they first put him in the car.

Mike Dodge 9:54
He’s just like, hey, guys, what are you doing? Yeah, like he’s not really aware that he’s in peril that bummed me because it’s like you’re at a work, business dinner and two strangers show up, you wouldn’t go talk to them. You’re like, I don’t know how to leave a message,

Christi Dodge 10:08
Because then there’s even so he’s confused with some, I think he’s confused, or somebody may have him confused with somebody, right? Somehow he runs into his mother they’re discussing, he goes to the person’s hotel room. It’s almost like a mild annoyance, like, I’ve lost my luggage kind of level of annoyance, except that they’re accusing you of killing a person. So he immediately jumps into the role of trying to figure out who killed this person to kind of free his name.

Mike Dodge 10:38
Yeah, first, he just thinks it’s a case of mistaken identity. He’s thinking, well, if I can connect with this other guy, George Kaplan, I think is the name of the false character. I think you’re I could then sort this out. But then he gets taken to the state in the countryside, and apparently forced to drink an entire entire bottle of rye whiskey or something. Yeah. Which not to be nitpicky. But how do they know it wouldn’t kill him? The alcohol poisoning is a thing,

Christi Dodge 11:09
Right? And so then they put him in a car. They’re driving him around. If he’s drank that much of that is not able to have his wits about him. How did they think he was going to be able to drive?

Mike Dodge 11:22
Well, I think the intent was that he wouldn’t, and they would send them over the cliff in the car, and they would kill him and make it look like an accident. But then he was too smart for them. He grabbed the wheel, and he spun around, not to the right, and he went on the run. So a lot of times in these podcasts, kids, I say don’t drive while drunk. That’s still a good rule. However, there may be an exception for when you’re escaping from a kidnapping, that was probably the wisest thing to do is to attempt to operate the motor vehicle while drunk because they were going to kill him. Right?

Christi Dodge 11:53
I felt confused through a lot of this film, because shortly after, like when he and his mother are still there in the hotel room, and they’re trying to figure stuff out. I couldn’t tell if if it was supposed to be his mother, or if it was supposed to be his wife, because while she did look a little older than him, she only looked about 10 or 15 years older than him,

Mike Dodge 12:16
Right? There is some dialogue about mother but it didn’t connect it unless I looked at the IMDB credits, right. That’s how I knew that it was his mother. That was a bit confusing, Alfred. I think maybe Cary thought he was a little old for the role. Maybe if they had cast someone a little younger, perhaps it would have been more obvious mother versus son. Now, I will at this point mentioned that costume designer, Miriam says that age is really driven a lot by clothing choices. I don’t know, if the 1959 viewer would have recognized cues in her clothing that made her be older than we do, because we’re not as familiar with the fashion at the time.

Christi Dodge 13:00
Well, because when you’re saying he called her mother, but back then sometimes the husband would call the wife mother, if they had kids.

Mike Dodge 13:06
Oh, gosh, yeah, there’s some film from like the 80s or 90s, where Harrison Ford calls his wife, mother throughout the whole film. That’s really weird.

Christi Dodge 13:14
So I just I felt like there was a lot in this film. Then Hitchcock’s I thought it would be really cool to film in the UN, and they wouldn’t give him permission. And so we see Roger run into the UN, and they couldn’t even get permission to film and so the cameras actually in a car hidden across the street, and I didn’t see it, I was looking for it. But apparently when Cary Grant gets to the top of the steps, an onlooker, like just a pedestrian, a random pedestrian does a double take because he’s like, is that Cary Grant.

Mike Dodge 13:52
See this is the business of show that even with a big Hollywood production, sometimes they have to resort to guerilla filmmaking.

Christi Dodge 13:59
Right, right. Well, when you want to film in the U, they’re like, No, get out. I don’t care who you are.

Mike Dodge 14:04
But this is an important thing that the viewer often doesn’t know. Yeah, that the exterior and interior can be entirely different building Yes, or in one case, the interiors on the soundstage. Oftentimes, it’s not the same, right? We’re watching a show on Netflix. And it said in house, a house was kind of like one of the characters and the interiors are obviously three 410 times bigger than the actual footprint of the house. Right.

So that’s one of the great things about putting the interior on a soundstage is you can make any interior geometry you want. Now in this case, I believe they did for the UN, maybe but also for at Rushmore, they built stuff on the soundstage to mimic it because they couldn’t get permission to shoot which is certainly possible. Awesome for your set people but expensive.

Christi Dodge 14:53
Yes, I won’t go into it. But anybody who is interested there is a documentary on YouTube that I can link to. There’s also a lot of trivia on the IMDB page about them wanting to shoot at Mount Rushmore and not being able to and what the film was going to be called. This was, you know, kind of Hitchcock apparently had a bunch of ideas, and I think he kind of threw a lot of them in this film.

Mike Dodge 15:20
Why don’t we filmed it, Rushmore?

Christi Dodge 15:23
So if you’re interested, check that out. It was kind of interesting. On that line, since we’re talking about kind of behind the scenes, Roger Thornhill, Cary Grant’s character is official name is Roger O., and Hitchcock said that, and the O stands for nothing. But he said that he named him after after studio had David O. Selznick, who’s O, also signifies nothing.

Mike Dodge 15:49
Also listener. Joe, his middle name is just the letter O. I would love I would love if it came from Roger, O

Christi Dodge 15:58
great story. His mom always had a crush on Cary Grant. Many people did. Oh, you found some fun trivia that film festival South by Southwest is in part related to North by Northwest, correct?

Mike Dodge 16:11
Yeah, the guy who founded South by Southwest, big shows that specifically as a call back to North by Northwest, except of course, Austin is more in the southwest and the northwest. So I guess Seattle could have their own North by Northwest film festival. Yeah.

Christi Dodge 16:25
Then we have the whole train like a large part of this film. We just talked about another train film Murder on the Orient Express. There’s a lot of this movie is on the train

Mike Dodge 16:37
Right now. Was it happened one night, which was on a bus? Yes. So back then. Public travel transport was a big deal. In this case, the question is, what sort of set did they have? Because I don’t believe they built on on the soundstage with gimbals and green screens and all of that, right.

Christi Dodge 16:55
No, but they did. I thought I remember reading. It’s been a couple weeks since we watch this film, if I read the IMDB but I do believe reading Oh, here, let me look down on my notes. Because I thought they did build a train.

Mike Dodge 17:09
I thought they at some point, they had different cars from trains, and they assembled them because back then, right, a particular train had specific cars associated with it with amenities.

Christi Dodge 17:20
I feel like the studios would have had to have had like mock trains that like as sets, because that was such a common mode of transportation then

Mike Dodge 17:30
Isn’t that amazing, right? To think that there’s like the sleeper car and then there’s the dining car where you could go and get a pretty nice meal. Yeah, when the bar that’s always a good place for drama or bad stuff to go down.

Christi Dodge 17:43
Yeah, points in the bar. The script had some saucy language too, because Eva Marie Saint had to read up part of her lines during post production to satisfy censors. The original line when her and Cary Grant are talking. I think it’s when they first met, but if it’s not the first time, it’s them when they’re in her.

Mike Dodge 18:01
It’s at the dinner table in the dining car. It’s like the first time they meet

Christi Dodge 18:05
Okay, it is. She says, I never make love on an empty stomach. Yeah, because they’re in the dining car. And they had to change that line to I never discuss love on an empty stomach. Then in the final scene, when she and Cary Grant are together and they’re embracing in her bed, like they call it the upper berth. It’s like a bunk bed kind of it’s she’s I don’t know why they were in the top part, but and then it cuts to a scene where the train is going into a tunnel. Not subtle at all.

Mike Dodge 18:34
Well, there’s also some other dialogue I liked something for your sweet tooth, baby and all your other sweet parts. That was good. She says, I’m a big girl. He says, yeah, and all the right places to and

Christi Dodge 18:45
Eva Marie Saint was in no way a big girl.

Mike Dodge 18:46
No, well, only maybe compared to Hollywood, but no and he says, What could a man do with his clothes off for 20 minutes? Which I thought was funny. I think that the the joke there would be while I’m expecting five out of you sir, but and then it was like he was in your room? Sure. Isn’t everybody. So they cast the character of Eve as kind of a bit of a round heel to use the term. That was kind of her job right was to sleep with these people for VanDam Yeah, so I guess you could maybe categorize her as like, you know, the classic femme fatale or the spy seductress?

Christi Dodge 19:31
Yeah, I liked I liked her character because she was kind of, I didn’t feel like she was the Femme Fatale, though, in the sense that she was like the dumb blonde.

Mike Dodge 19:42
Oh, No, she was definitely she was a very empowered character for that era. Yeah, yeah. Eve was in on it. She had her because remember, she’s basically a double agent. Yes. So she was more clever than VanDamme was right.

Christi Dodge 19:54
She was running her own scheme kind of

Mike Dodge 19:59
But then she has also fallen in love with Cary Grant. Yep.

Christi Dodge 20:03
I mean, I could see why that you know, growing up, I always heard his name as being, you know, like this that, you know, character that would make the women’s swoon. I can I get it like he he was his sarcastic kind of delivery. He was very charming and he was kind of like, maybe like the Ryan Reynolds or the I can see that or I was trying to think who would it be today? Clooney? Yes. Yes. Good one. Yeah, cuz

Mike Dodge 20:31
I don’t think I don’t think he’s quite as funny as Ryan Reynolds. No, he’s got that cool, kind of suave, debonair, that

Christi Dodge 20:38
can deliver a sarcastic laugh. Oh, yeah.

Mike Dodge 20:41
Somebody else gets good timing. Yeah. And he’s got a nice smile, but he’s not maybe quite as as quick witted or silly.

Christi Dodge 20:48
Right. So under costuming I have that when Hitchcock saw the costumes that the costume department had put together the pictures, they just sit had done drawings. He was like, Absolutely not. They marched down to Bergdorf Goodman with Eva Marie Saint and they just bought all clothes for her to wear.

Mike Dodge 21:07
Okay, I have a costume note. Yes. As you may recall, police officers would have a tooled black leather belt called a SAM brown belt. I believe that’s after the vendor, not after an individual person. They would have you know their equipment on it, like their firearm and their handcuffs. These police officers each had to holster number two pencils on their pencils and souls on their Sam brown belt. Yeah, exactly. It completely bumped me. Not only two pencils not make a lot of sense. They’re also bright yellow, so they stand out.

Christi Dodge 21:43
Oh my god, how did I miss that? Yeah.

Mike Dodge 21:45
So I would love if we have a listener who happened to be a police officer in 1959. He was able to call in and tell us was this standard issue for police officers and 59. Guys, that sounds easy.

Christi Dodge 21:55
Yeah, I thought what you were going to talk about was the gray suit the Cary Grant or throughout almost the entire film, it became this like bluish gray suit became so popular that it was copied in many, many movies, including Tom Cruise’s character and Collateral. Ben Affleck’s character in Paycheck. Many, many, many men of the era would copy this, this, you know, kind of like silvery gray blue suit.

Mike Dodge 22:25
I think actually, it’s still popular today. I believe that that’s what was being referenced in the basketball shorts I’m currently wearing. I think they were calling back to North by Northwest.

Christi Dodge 22:36
I’m sorry. You’re right. I’m totally sure. Do we have some head trauma?

Mike Dodge 22:41
Okay, we did have three three notes of head trauma. This is the superfan RJ head trauma section. I think maybe he gets a name. First of all, when Eve shoots Roger on Mount Rushmore, he goes down and it’s quite possibly hits his head on the table or the ground when he goes and takes fall. Secondly, not long after that. arranger punches Roger in the face and consider that head trauma faces on the head. The lastly VanDamme punches Leonard in the face after he reveals that they’re blanks. There’s a couple punches to the face and one possible bounce of a skull off the ground.

Christi Dodge 23:19
All right, I know we had a smoochy smoochy smoochy smoochy like mid film in in Eve Kendalle’s berth, but do we have a

Mike Dodge 23:30
couple so I didn’t get timecode for that but yeah, they smooch there. Then also one hour 40 minutes 20 seconds. When she says goodbye to Roger she gives him a smoochy is that before like when they’re at Rushmore like Yeah, I think that’s there’s parting ways I think

Christi Dodge 23:46
She’s trying to kind of do the it’s just I could work trouble to leave so it’s for your own good project. But then they come back but we don’t see a smoochy we just see the train go in the tunnel Yeah. We’re left to our own imagination as to what they’re doing and

Mike Dodge 24:05
it’s not the trains motion.

Christi Dodge 24:08
How about a driving review?

Mike Dodge 24:09
Okay, so there are quite a few vehicles and this isn’t good era for for Detroit. First of all, I want to start out with the 1958 Cadillac Fleetwood 75 is an excellent choice for kidnapping. Notice how large that vehicle was it looked ginormous. He had three adult males in the backseat with room to spare Yeah, so when you want to kidnap think a Cadillac, the 59 Yeah, probably Mercedes Cabriolet is a good choice for for running away from kidnapper so much so that I thought I read the Cary Grant purchased it from production after the filming was done. He liked the car so much.

I previously mentioned there’s a possible exception for driving while inebriated if you’re fleeing kidnappers, not sure. But I’m willing to talk. There are tons of Ford’s there no sponsorship, but a lot of them in there. What I was curious about was, there is a 1946 Ford Deluxe pickup that had a refrigerator in the back right before the famous plane seen and I thought what an interesting thing like who? How often do you ever see a pickup grab another or the refrigerator in the bag? They just bought it? Well, maybe so but it just seems like a really odd thing to have in your pickup. But okay, now in 1959,

Mike Dodge 25:24
so gotta love the 58 Lincoln Continental mark three convertible that she drives at the end of the film, nice vehicle. I will say one of the things that was awfully fun was he gets in early in the film, Roger gets in the cab, and he says to the cab driver, I’m being followed, can you do anything about it? He says, Yes, I can. I don’t think any modern taxi cab driver would respond to can you lose a tail with Yes, I can write I love back then in the 50s. cab drivers were aspiring racers, and you could get him to drive fast for almost no reason whatsoever. Just Just ask. All right.

Christi Dodge 26:02
Shall we go to the numbers? Let’s go to the numbers. Before we go to the numbers, though, I just want to say that Cary Grant received $450,000 for this movie, a substantial amount for the time, plus a percentage of the profits. He also received $315,000 In penalty fees for happening to stay nine weeks past the time when his contract was called that his contract called for and Eva Marie Saint made much less than this. In today’s numbers, you pretty much add a zero. He would have gotten like four and a half million for the movie, which is pretty low for now. I think that’s what my

Mike Dodge 26:45
Yeah, no, I think you’ve said that was your scaling factor. It does seem a little low for Star power.

Christi Dodge 26:51
But even more so for Eva Marie Saint. I’m glad that at least pay parity hopefully has gotten a little bit better.

Mike Dodge 26:58
Yeah, it’s a good question about whether he was more of a draw than she was. The first thing that I thought when she came on this screen was Wow, she was really good. Looking beautiful. That’s got to put some butts and seats back then. So yeah, only fair. Let’s give her 4 million bucks.

Christi Dodge 27:16
Right. That was the budget so they could the budget was 4.3 million, 1 million over what it was originally supposed to be. It was supposed to be about 3 million. Hitchcock went over obviously nine weeks and I think probably happening to build a Mount Rushmore replica probably put him over so the studio was not thrilled

Mike Dodge 27:37
and a forest right didn’t like have to bring in 100 trees

Christi Dodge 27:42
In the scene that you were referencing the other day when we were hanging out with somebody was the helicopter scene. They said they replanted the corn from a high school. First of all, what high school has a cornfield. And second, maybe one

Mike Dodge 27:56
was Kern County. 1959. By then,

Christi Dodge 27:59
but then also like, if you watch the movie, they all look dead. They Yeah, they don’t look like they replanted them.

Mike Dodge 28:07
I don’t know the lifecycle of corn. Perhaps someone from Iowa could call in and let us know. What what is the lifecycle for corn?

Christi Dodge 28:15
Even though they were over budget by million dollars, they made it up worldwide. This movie brought in 13.3 million. That was mostly domestic prices, because I don’t think that worldwide distribution was as big as it is now. And so adjusted for today. That’s like 130 million, but it’s a successful film. Yeah, yeah, it was a success on IMDb it gets 8.3 out of 10 Rotten Tomatoes. Critics love this film at 97% and audiences aren’t far behind at 94% it is a two hour commitment to our 16 minutes at that.

Like I said it this rating is approved because it was pre rating system, and it’s labeled as an action adventure mystery film. It did pretty well for awards. It got nominated for an Oscar for Best Screenplay, Best Art Direction and Best Editing. Cary Grant won for Best Foreign Actor at the David de Donatella award, I guess festival and it won for best picture at the Edgar Allan Poe awards and it won the gore golden Laurel for top action drama at the Laurel awards.

Mike Dodge 29:24
Which I don’t know if that’s good never heard of this. But okay good for that.

Christi Dodge 29:27
It did well so there you have it. I always wanted to watch this one because I thought it had a Northwest I in and as Northwest as they got was Rushmore.

Mike Dodge 29:38
Yeah, kind of I don’t know if I had seen it in its entirety before and I always find it amazing that they shoot the scene with the the biplane machine gunning him and they never show us any shots of someone in the plane with the machine gun. Oh, see, you don’t know like who’s shooting him? Yeah, up here. That’s what he said this movie is kind of confusing.

Mike Dodge 30:02
Apparently, one of the two guys that kidnapped him was in the plane and dies in the crash that he was the shooter in the plane, because you don’t see him in the rest of the film. But I just thought that was odd. You think 1959 But if they said, Hey, give me a biplane with submachine guns on it. That would be right there in the studio lot,

Christi Dodge 30:22
Right. They would have faked it where they had a fan on it. Sure. Right was on the ground, and they have the fake sky behind.

Mike Dodge 30:28
With the fake sky behind him. And he’d be grinning, grimacing. Yes, yeah. So anyway, I just thought that’s such a famous scene. I know he had seen that scene many times. But it was interesting to see the whole film all put together as one.

Christi Dodge 30:43
So that does it for North by Northwest. Join us next week when we’re going to do Knives Out and then we will close out this month of mystery with Unusual Suspects. We’re going to revisit that one and see what that one’s like. Let’s see guys. We did some planning this weekend. I’m so excited for next year. We have almost all the film’s planned but if you want to make some last minute suggestions we could possibly be swayed. Since nothing is in cement yet.

Mike Dodge 31:11
Coincidentally, you mentioned that just an hour or two ago superfan Udo did make a recommendation that I’ll share with you off air.

Christi Dodge 31:20
Okay, we will add that to the thank you so much to all of our fans, I really appreciate all the good the help you guys give us when sometimes something needs a little tweak in the episode, we get that we get the heads up and so we can fix it for everybody.

I really appreciate everybody listening and we hope to include a lot of those listeners that are around the world next year. We’ve got some kind of some great prizes and different things in different plans that we want to implement. Our little Junior producer here and in the family gave us some fantastic ideas that we’re going to follow up on. So enjoy. Join us for the rest of mystery month and never forget….

Mike Dodge 32:00
Dodges never stop and neither do the movies.

Brennan 32:02
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