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Welcome back, everybody to the Dodge movie podcast. This is episode 178, and we are going to be talking about Groundhog Day, but only once I could win mom joke. We watch this on Apple for 399, it is from the year 1993 it is a Harold Ramis directed film. He also did Caddyshack, Stripes, vacation, Ghostbusters, all the good 80s movies. It stars Bill Murray Andy McDowell, Chris Elliott and Stephen toblowski. Played Ned

Mike Dodge 1:21
that maybe Tablo skis most famous role. Yes, very much so. But you know, what’s interesting about this film is, um, this. I mean, it’s hard to say ramus is best film, but this is one of his best, right? Definitely, incredibly re watchable. I’m

Christi Dodge 1:36
sure people would pick Ghostbusters up there, but yes, definitely. And

Mike Dodge 1:41
yet, I don’t think Bill Murray is that likable a person in like in real life, but it’s just, and maybe not even his characters, but it’s just, there’s some magic about this role. Yeah,

Christi Dodge 1:55
I would agree. The DP was John Bailey, who did 1980s American Gigolo, 1991 search for signs of intelligence. And 93 is in the line of fire. It was filmed in Woodstock, Illinois, and the writer was Danny Rubin and Harold Ramis. It is a Columbia Pictures film, and the synopsis is a narcissist, self centered weatherman finds himself in a time loop on Groundhog Day. I’ve got three taglines. Okay, all right, what would you do if you were stuck in the same day over and over, anything you want and everything your heart desires? No,

Mike Dodge 2:35
I don’t think that is accurate for the film or a good tagline.

Christi Dodge 2:39
It’s too early, way too long. Yeah, he’s having the worst day of his life over and

Mike Dodge 2:45
over Okay, okay, that’s pretty good.

Christi Dodge 2:49
I like that one. How does it compare to this one? He’s having the day of his life over and over again. Not as good. The

Mike Dodge 2:58
middle one is your your winner.

Christi Dodge 3:00
I agree. I agree. Okay, kick us off with your pickup line for Groundhog Day.

Mike Dodge 3:06
Somebody asked me today, Phil, if you could be anywhere in the world, where would you like to be? And I said to him, probably right here, yeah. See, definitely supports your opinion, yeah. And it’s a good line.

Christi Dodge 3:19
So interesting. Danny and Harold both said that they avoided exploring the truly dark side of films, time lapsing in which he could commit psychopathic actions without consequence. The examples being homicide, rape, torture, etc, right? Because I guess there is part of, I think all of us, that if you feel like you have this invincibility of not having to no consequences for your actions, yeah, thank you, because my brain just like, that’s exactly what I wanted to say that you would like, Huh?

Can I rob a bank? Like, I think we would all start out with petty stuff, petty crimes. I would hope that I wouldn’t go to the big deal crimes. But, I mean, I guess bank robbery is a felony. So I did kind of jump to the, I think, back

Mike Dodge 4:09
to pendulum defense of of not needing to take your children to church to learn to not murder people. Of, well, how many people do you want to murder, right, right? And so I don’t know that I would have a list of murdering, however, not paying for my meal, I’d probably do taking, I don’t know, going and taking car off the lot and just driving around joyriding. I might do that in the situation, you

Christi Dodge 4:35
know, I may end up in the slammer tonight, but I’m gonna wake up in my bed tomorrow, right?

Mike Dodge 4:41
So as long as I didn’t get beat up over it, I could see me doing something like that, maybe playing a prank that I thought was funny, but that I knew people would be upset about, because tomorrow they wouldn’t be upset. You know, I don’t know, run through town naked because you don’t

Christi Dodge 4:57
like pranks. I don’t but you. Yeah, you were just trying to think of, I know, things we probably shouldn’t be recording, the things that we would do if there were no consequences,

Mike Dodge 5:06
right? That’ll be subpoenaed in court in 10 years. All right, back to the movie, yeah. But, you know, it is interesting, because I could see a different way to approach the time loop of looking into that of, you know, somebody who gets darker and darker, and I just like, I don’t like, I have to say, like, for me, like, maybe, you know, going to a strip club or something that I would be embarrassed to do normally. I would like, Okay, well, let me, you know, see what this is like. I guess I’m pretty vanilla.

Christi Dodge 5:42
I think, I mean, they do kind of explore some dark things, which I think are true in a comedic way. Because I think after a while, you would just be like, get me out of here, and if I have to, by way of suicide, to not trigger anybody. But you know, if that was the way that, I mean, I guess it just rang true to me that that’s something that would cross someone’s mind who was stuck in this time

Mike Dodge 6:06
loop. Yeah. And I think any character in literature that lives forever, they always talk about that. Do you get tired and and I don’t know, but it’s interesting. The thing I thought about was he, he learns to play the piano, and basically he’s able to have years of practice on a few songs right at a time. Well, that’s, that’s, that’s the path I went down. So he can’t, he couldn’t write a novel, because the physically we see the pencil, it goes from broken to again. It have to be, he keeps his memory.

He could compose poetry or anything like that. He could have taken a painting, but it’s the skill that you would, would would keep compositionally that would be very difficult, right, to remember an entire novel, but you would have the time.

Christi Dodge 6:54
I never, even I never, I feel dumb admitting this, but I never realized that he retains the memory everyone else goes back to right, resets, but he doesn’t, because when he meets Ned Ryerson every day, he has all those previous experiences with him. So that’s that would make you even crazy. I think that it wasn’t just a new day, you know, kind of all up 51 dates, if you were Drew, Drew Barrymores character, and you’re just waking up fresh each time, right? It’s almost, it’s,

Mike Dodge 7:28
I see that’s where I think you would maybe go to the diner enough times to know when somebody’s gonna drop something. But I think you would go many, many different places to try to to add spice to it.

Christi Dodge 7:42
Then, then we see him, kind of does he? He does it, I thought with Andy McDowell’s character, but I thought he does it with that other woman, where he goes out on a date with her to find out things, and then uses that information, then the next day to be more appealing to

Mike Dodge 7:59
her. He does that to Annie McDowell as well. And this is the part where it is veering a little bit toward the dark, because I think everybody would feel that’s unfair, manipulative, right? Yeah, so. But in the world of the internet, you might be able to argue somebody could mind somebody’s Facebook or Instagram and find out their favorite cocktail and those other pieces of data, and would people consider that as skeezy to do that? And is there a level of mining that is acceptable? Who knows? But it does. There are some interesting philosophical issues that are underpinned this, even though it’s not really a philosophical kind of movie, right?

Christi Dodge 8:40
Exactly some of the acting choices that Bill Murray made is, according to Harold Ramos, most of the time when he would try to explain a scene to Bill, Bill would interrupt him and just go, just tell me good Phil or bad Phil.

Mike Dodge 8:56
Sounds like very That does sound very Bill Murray esque, yeah. And I, you know, credit to Tobolowsky, because his character serves kind of to, to highlight the grain in in Bill Murray’s Phil because he’s just, I mean, you want to punch Ned immediately, right? And he, he really lands it in that kind of way. He’s not like evil, but he’s just irritating, right? That that life insurance salesman and and does? It was such a smile on his face. I thought, I thought it was super well done. He makes the film. He’s not in it for very many minutes, right? But he really is a memorable part of the film. Great, great work. Yeah,

Christi Dodge 9:38
so fill me in on what things stood out for you in the cinematography and the plot that things that we maybe haven’t covered already from

Mike Dodge 9:50
a story perspective, you know, in retrospect, 2020, hindsight is brilliant, like, you know, Groundhog Day, it can make sense to us at. For the fact

Christi Dodge 10:00
it’s such a fun, wholesome setting, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mike Dodge 10:04
And so, by the way, the groundhog is also known as the wood Chuck, which gives us the how much wood would a wood Chuck? But like you said, it set there at that gazebo, and they’ve got the Pennsylvania waltz playing,

Christi Dodge 10:19
and people are polka music goes throughout this whole film,

Mike Dodge 10:23
and they’re singing along, and there’s, there’s a baked goods at one point, and it’s winter town home, yeah,

Christi Dodge 10:31
down home. Fun.

Mike Dodge 10:33
So I think this is clever, but I think it really is key to it. It has snowed, but it is not snowing, so the sets have that snow, but then it’s clear, and people are cold, but they’re not being snowed on that sets up. Yeah, like you said, that perfect down home, and then we see the diner.

And now this kind of veers a little bit into the couldn’t be made today, the bachelor auction also kind of fun in a small town thing. But if we look a little bit deeper at that, we feel a little bit uncomfortable with that, but it does set up the really funny gag where Chris Elliott’s character wants to go, but he doesn’t command much on on stage.

So but we also see it gives us this backdrop of Phil has a thing that no one else has, which is he gets to relive the day and keep those memories right. And so we see his development as a character. So he goes at first, or I shouldn’t say at first, I might get some of the time wrong, but there are points where he’s he’s using it to to learn things about the the area. Then you see him like, at one point he like, catches a kid who’s about to fall right? But you also see him use that against Andy McDowell. He’s trying to basically manipulate her into having sex with him, not against your will, per se, but it is kind of a little creepy.

But then you see him going through the phase, good montage of trying to kill himself because he’s like, I’m just done with this. And so you see his whole character development. But I just remember reading a quote that Hitchcock said, suspense is when the audience knows something that the characters don’t. And in a sense, there’s a suspense here, because we and Phil know stuff that the rest of the characters don’t know.

And for a light hearted comedy, it is interesting to set up that tension. And you do immediately think, like with the bank robber, or not bank robber, but the armored car and the money and stuff like, you could get up to all sorts of shenanigans if you had that advantage, right?

So that that that allows us to see, and this film is all about his journey, right? We don’t really see Andy McDowell’s read a change throughout the film, and that’s the whole point. Is no one else in the film changes. They’re the same every day, over and over again, fascinating, like I said in retrospect, why didn’t someone else do this? This seems so obvious, but what a brilliant, brilliant premise. Premise.

Christi Dodge 13:09
Yeah, and do we see him near the end kind of realize that he is falling in love, like, I think the first time he kind of tries to woo yeah, character. He it is purely for his own satisfaction, right? He’s acting everything, right? But then he does realize he does want more, and then he is and so then He’s really upset when she kind of realizes what he’s been doing.

Mike Dodge 13:39
Yeah, we see him, you know, grow a heart. He is basically Scrooge. I mean, the Grinch, yes, right? Three sizes too small kind of thing, yeah. And we see him that, I think really with that heart is it’s the old, transient, drunk fella. We see him really get that that heart, and he becomes a decent human being. And of course, Act One, Phil, you know, they’re like, trapped on the roadway, and the highway patrolman is like, they get turned around. He is such a jerk to everyone.

And of course, good Phil, bad Phil, right? And maybe this is Bill Murray as magic as he can be obnoxious, but not be hated, I don’t know, but that guy is really sets up how horrible he is. And for most of the film, Phil is not good. I

Christi Dodge 14:28
was just gonna say that it’s fascinating that we kind of are willing to go on this ride with him. And this is a beloved movie. When you bring this movie Up, people are like, Oh my god, this is a great film.

And so the fact that that that so many people are willing to go on this ride with his character, Phil, who, like you said, for the bulk of the movie, is a jerk. Why are we willing to kind of hang in there? I guess you kind of want to see, like, what’s going to happen.

How is he going to get out of this time loop the first time we watch it? I mean, the. Sure, the second, third, fourth, whatever time that we watch this film, you just are like, Oh, this is just a good wait till this okay. Oh, this part’s so funny, you know, like, I think we’re looking for all the those classic I mean, Harold Ramis was a comedy genius, and I think that’s what maybe keeps us going, because it is so anti to what we know of movies is generally, I mean, Phil, I don’t know if we can call him the protagonist, but he’s the main character, right? And so why do we hang in with this narcissist, egocentric jerk? Well,

Mike Dodge 15:35
I have to, I think, go back to what I said before. I think it’s accurate. It’s Bill Murray magic, because I walked away from Wedding Crashers hating Bradley Cooper, right?

Christi Dodge 15:48
For many, many, many years, right?

Mike Dodge 15:52
And then that kid made A star is born. And, all right, I’ll let him back. He

Christi Dodge 15:55
won you back, yeah,

Mike Dodge 15:58
but that has to be it, I mean, and that’s why I said earlier that. I think there are some magic in the casting. You know, all all credit to her. I don’t know that Andy McDowell or Chris Elliot necessarily are as critical to this film. I mean, she’s got fantastic hair in this film. Just wow.

Christi Dodge 16:20
Classic 80s here. Well, I mean, she’s beautiful, and she’s almost like, I guess, what you consider like a protagonist, she’s kind she’s, you know, a hard working journalist. She wants to come up and just do this story. Well, you know, and she’s a producer, probably, she’s,

Mike Dodge 16:36
I think, yeah, and you’re right, she is kind of all that is goodness and light. She’s Glenn Close in the natural or what have you. And she’s not really, I mean, she’s more of a goal, attractive, but yet, but she serves her. Her main purpose is for him to strive toward. Right? This is to attain. I just think that, you know, it’s one of these things where the premise is fantastic.

The script is well done. It’s obviously well shot, because it’s got some pretty funny moments in it. But I think ultimately, you have to give, in my opinion, credit to Bill Murray that he was the perfect casting choice for this role. You know, you can’t think of this role working with anyone else really,

Christi Dodge 17:20
I like you, wasn’t always the biggest Bill Murray fan, maybe more his films than him, but I think you’re right. This is why people do consider him a comedy genius. Is because of films like this that you can take, you can even make him an unlikable character, and it’s a performance that we all

Mike Dodge 17:39
enjoy. Yeah, and I just can’t even imagine how difficult that must be as an actor to take a despicable character and make them somehow have enough humanity in them that the audience goes for the ride.

Christi Dodge 17:56
You mentioned the groundhog before there was a family of groundhogs that were raised for the production of this film. And one of my favorite scenes when I very first saw this movie in 1993 Oh, wow. I would have thought it was earlier than that.

I would have put this in the early 80s. This, to me, feels like a high school film that I watched, but yeah, I don’t know 93 feels about right.

Yeah. Is the scene where he’s driving with the groundhog, and he says, Don’t drive mad. Don’t drive mad. And apparently the reason that he did say that was because the groundhog was angry and was no longer wanting to be placed on the steering wheel and used as a prop, and so Bill Murray was bitten by the groundhog during that scene twice, and had to have anti rabies injections because the bites were so severe. And I believe after the one in the car, he had to go to the hospital for stitches. That’s how bad it was. Okay.

Mike Dodge 18:59
Credit to Murray for hanging in there.

Christi Dodge 19:02
Absolutely.

Mike Dodge 19:04
Ramus says we need another take bill,

Christi Dodge 19:05
yeah, I would, I would be saying many expletives. Yeah. It would have gotten blue, yeah,

Mike Dodge 19:13
I but when you said that the family was raised specifically for production, the first thing I thought of was I see them in a little go kart is they’re training the the groundhog. He’s got the helmet on, and they’re training him to drive like

Christi Dodge 19:30
and they go into the log and out of the log and into the log and out of the log. That’s what the training is, too. All right, is there anything else that we may have missed in talking about this classic?

Mike Dodge 19:40
There are, of course, a couple of montages, including, I love it, the Rita slapping film montage, always good. Phil attempting suicide. Montage may be

Christi Dodge 19:52
a little bit more difficult, but it’s still funny. Ironically,

Mike Dodge 19:56
oddly enough, Phil saving the old guy. Montage. That’s pretty good. They have a couple of walk and talks here, right? And so I assume it was steadicam. It was after the Steadicam was available. So that was, that was an interesting twist. I did. One thing I noticed, and our friends who are more into fashion could maybe help me out. There was like a mandarin collar on Phil’s dress shirt. Was that a thing in 1993

Christi Dodge 20:23
I don’t know. We’d have to go back.

Mike Dodge 20:25
It stuck out to me. And credit, they put dirndl on the waitresses, classic, good East Coast German, the German St Paul girl dress, very period appropriate for a small town, right? Yes, I thought that was pretty good.

Christi Dodge 20:42
And so it’s interesting that the film was filmed in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania, or it was not filmed where it is set in the film, but it was actually filmed in Woodstock, Illinois, just 50 miles from Bill Murray’s hometown of Wilmette, Illinois. And there’s a small plaque that reads, Bill Murray stepped here on the curb, where he continually steps into the puddle.

That’s fantastic. Another plaque on the building wall, the corner that says Ned’s corner where Phil Connors continually was accosted by Ned Ryerson, and during the NED scene, you can see a sign for Woodstock jewelers clearly in the background. That doesn’t support that. They’re in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania, but, well, it

Mike Dodge 21:27
could be a satellite office. So there’s, there’s many extreme close ups of the alarm clock going to six o’clock. And it’s kind of an alarm clock. Oh yeah. I was just gonna bring that up. Those tiles, the numbers as tiles that flipped over. I think everybody in the 70s had one of those. Totally

Christi Dodge 21:46
what that was, what you could well, before digital LEDs,

Mike Dodge 21:51
it was, it was in between. Yeah, it was before LEDs, but after just the circular wind up alarm clock, right? And it had the clock radio part. I don’t remember exactly how you set the time, but you would set the time and it would come onto the clock radio.

Christi Dodge 22:07
Here’s a question for you. I wonder listeners. I would love to know if anybody else did this, if one of those broke, did you take it apart to play with the flippy number thing? Oh, I’d never seen one that had broken. Oh, well, that’s true. They were pretty hearty, but I believe my mom had one and it broke, or maybe that’s when the LED came out and I took it apart, because I was fascinated right by the wheel of numbers that flipped around.

Mike Dodge 22:35
I sat there and watched the thing and tried to figure out how it worked. It was Yeah. It was sorcery.

Christi Dodge 22:40
Things, yeah, things that captivated us in the 70s, which

Mike Dodge 22:43
is before iPhones, right?

Christi Dodge 22:47
Okay, anything else?

Unknown Speaker 22:48
No,

Christi Dodge 22:49
okay, was there any head trauma in Yeah,

Mike Dodge 22:52
there’s quite a bit. Um, So Phil gets whacked in the head by a snow shovel when he’s on the pay phone at the gas station during Act One, when he’s still super jerk, Rita slaps Phil in the face

Christi Dodge 23:05
multiple times, many, many

Mike Dodge 23:06
times, he had a montage. Phil shoves Ned Ryerson. Phil punches Ned Ryerson. Phil loses a snowball fight with the townies, which does involve some snowballs to the melon. Rita slaps Phil after he pushes too far multiple times. And lastly, Rita smacks Phil in the face with a pillow during their all nighter, how cute. Yeah, he

Christi Dodge 23:27
he took the most of it, plus those two bites by the groundhog,

Mike Dodge 23:32
rabies shots, stitches. That’s commitment to the role.

Christi Dodge 23:35
Hopefully Bill had a stand in for some of those slaps, or they did some good stage.

Mike Dodge 23:40
Harold says that. Oh, I’m sorry, Phil, we’ll see it in the shot. We’re gonna need you to get hit again.

Christi Dodge 23:48
All right. So as we’ve mentioned, Bill made good time with the ladies. So smoochies. Smoochy, smoochy, smoochy,

Mike Dodge 23:56
yeah, Phil and Nancy, smooch in front of the fake fire. Fill in Rita, smooch in front of the fake fire Phil and Rita. Smooch after his snow sculpture of her and Phil and Rita, smooch after they leave the BNB when he successfully gets to the next day. Nice.

Christi Dodge 24:11
And we also have mentioned driving, but give me a full and complete driving review. All right, so

Mike Dodge 24:19
first of all, gotta love the choice of a white 91 Dodge Ram van for the camera van like well done, our people. Thank you, Mr. Ramus, and look how spacious it is inside. This is actually something that we talked about in the Denzel Washington hostage movie.

Oftentimes in Hollywood, we cheat the interior vehicles, because not only is it hard to get the camera crew in there with the actors, but also it just looks weird because people are on top of each other.

I don’t know if they did that with this, but I’m pretty sure they did. I think the interiors of that van were probably a little larger than they really were. Okay, nobody hunks this horn, but me, okay, pal, I actually. Like that driving instruction to the wood Chuck, because only the driver shop right the controls the motor vehicle. That’s all the controls the pink 74 Cadillac Fleetwood El Dorado does have a wide enough front seat for three adult males, and it really puts a whooping on those plywood groundhogs. So if you want to run over plywood creatures, I suggest a 70s area Cadillac.

It’s gonna do good work for that, the red 71 Chevy C 10 pickup isn’t the optimal vehicle for a car chase, but boy, does that groundhog know how to drive like I’m impressed, including realistic damage when it goes through the gate. Oftentimes in movies, they don’t use the same vehicle. So it was good to see that they kept it, because you could tell that the front grill was was damaged afterwards.

So it took of the captain Ramis, or he was cheap one or the other. And then lastly, that white 68 Dodge Dart is the perfect car for elderly ladies. My grandmother had Plymouth, Valiant, very similar vehicle in in blue. So I totally bought that those old ladies would have that vehicle. But where did he get the floor? Drag those things are heavy, and I don’t know if you’ve ever dragged one around. They are loud, so little, little continuity or there, but I like it.

Christi Dodge 26:19
So I don’t know if I said this before, but the don’t drive mad was an improvised line by Bill Murray. And I don’t know how they know this in the trivia of IMDb, but it says the line would, decades later, inspire the title for the Nicholas Cage action horror film drive angry in 2011

Mike Dodge 26:36
all I can think is that the person who made that film. Told IMDb was a big fan. Yeah, I was a big fan of Groundhog Day. That’s all I can guess.

Christi Dodge 26:45
Shall we go to the numbers?

Mike Dodge 26:47
Let’s go to the numbers.

Christi Dodge 26:49
All right. This film in 1993 had a budget of 14 point 6 million, so like 10 million less than last week’s house money. It scores quite high. It gets an eight out of 10 on IMDb. Critics love this movie, 94% audiences were surprisingly less, which at 88% which surprises me, because most people, if you mention this movie, beloved film. Oh, my goodness, be loved a little bit, quite a bit past the moral line at one hour 41 minutes. It is rated PG. It is labeled as a comedy, drama, fantasy, obviously, if we have a a time looping factor that does not occur in reality, to the best of my knowledge, the

Mike Dodge 27:35
best of my knowledge. But we may have said this already.

Christi Dodge 27:40
We’ve already recorded this domestically. They made 17 million worldwide. They made 71 point 1 million. Adjusted for today, that would be like a film bringing in 184 point 8 million. Very successful comedy, I would say so. I mean, then, like I said, I think it was a hit. I’m surprised that it only brought in 17 million, because I would have thought in this era. I mean, maybe it’s become a cult classic, but I wouldn’t have said that. I would have thought it was successful in 1993 but with those numbers, it doesn’t. Our friends

Mike Dodge 28:11
on the long rewind have told us that it often depends on what came out at the same time good point, as well as if they had the misfortune of coming out when there’s some major event like OJS car chase or something like that. Yeah.

Christi Dodge 28:25
Good point. Good point. Okay, I believe I said, this is a Columbia Pictures. It did win one BAFTA, and it has seven or six other wins and 17 nominations. So did okay in the awards, especially for comedy, because generally comedies don’t win that many awards. So that does it for Groundhog Day. Let’s see what we’re going to select a movie and see what we’re gonna watch next week.

Mike Dodge 28:54
Oh, wow. This is a very singular sensation. IT’S A Chorus Line with Michael Douglas, Oh,

Christi Dodge 29:01
fun. I know of this movie. I don’t believe I’ve seen the whole thing start to finish. I

Mike Dodge 29:07
don’t think I’ve seen the whole thing start to finish either. I do know it was a big deal when it came out amongst a certain crowd, but I think I only saw bits and pieces of it, so I’m curious what the whole film put together looks like.

Christi Dodge 29:19
All right, so we’re gonna watch that one, and you guys, if you want to be in on all the information, watch that before next Sunday. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday today, and never forget, dodge

Mike Dodge 29:31
has never stopped, and neither do the movies.

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